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PostPosted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:18 pm 
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Wonder if wayne carinis twin engined mini would pass if he tried to historic rego here he seem to get whatever he wants over there


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:37 am 
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Can't see the problem - of all period mods the Twini is particularly well documented....

"...The reason I ask is because of my involvement in Minis In The Gong and I am trying to gauge the feasibility of MITG becoming part of the Scheme..."

As I've said before Ryan..get in touch with Wayne Brighton. He can explain all....

You will have trouble "registering" MITG with the scheme due to the Club structure You Guys have chosen.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 11:03 am 
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ryan wrote:
The reason I ask is because of my involvement in Minis In The Gong and I am trying to gauge the feasibility of MITG becoming part of the Scheme.


Just go for it Ryan (maybe incorporate the name first and write a simple constitution) but try and make sure no one in the group brings the scheme (read privilege) into disrepute :idea:

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:39 pm 
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thomas_hb wrote:
Goldbrocade_62 wrote:
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Yours would pass no worries Ryan for historic plates

No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"
Technically it shouldn't pass as it has everything on it to make it look like a cooper S it's no longer how the car came out the factory


You've reinterpreted the rules to suit your own views, there.

The actual wording is:

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Historic vehicles must be as close to original condition as possible, with no alterations except for safety features such as seat belts and turn indicators or period accessories and options, if desired.


There is no requirement that it be as it left the factory. Period accessories and options cover Ryan's car since all of his accessories and options were all available at the time of manufacture and were commonplace on cars of that type.

If it had a fibreglass air-dam, a big spoiler and a turbo then no, it would not be suitable for historic registration.

Under your reading of the rules, a poverty-pack 850 with Minilite wheels would be thrown out. Sheesh!

Remember fellas, the historic vehicle scheme exists to promote and protect the cars, not the rivet counters.

Why wouldn't they be legitimade additions to a car?
Fibreglass spoilers, turbo's, massive flares, hood scoops etc were all available and in use in the 60's and 70's so why not allow them???
You're as guilty of "interpreting the rules for your own views as others who you accuse of the same thing.
The biggest problem with the existing scheme (as quoted above) are the existing vague and restrictive rules provided by the RMS.
Their response when asked questions about the vagueness of the rules is that it is up to the clubs to determine how they interpret that sentence. And every club (pretty much) interprets it differently.
And since the club itself has the responsibility to be answerable to the RMS, the rules they create in response to the interpretation of that sentence are enforced by the individual clubs, (hence the differences)
As a matter of fact the "Nazis and bureaucrats".. in the Mini Car Club do consider some turbos and superchargers since they were available in the 60's and 70's........(period accessories)

The next big issue (yet to be addressed) is the rumour that more modifications will be allowed.
It has been mooted by the ACMC that this new scheme was to allow more modifications to cars so that those who fell outside of the "as close to original as possible" cars could be accepted into the scheme.
But my scanning of all media articles and RMS information has so far revealed nothing to that effect other than rumours.
Maybe Mr Gay has yet to release that bit of wisdom.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:05 pm 
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mcbuggsy wrote:
Why wouldn't they be legitimade additions to a car?
Fibreglass spoilers, turbo's, massive flares, hood scoops etc were all available and in use in the 60's and 70's so why not allow them???
You're as guilty of "interpreting the rules for your own views as others who you accuse of the same thing.


I'll chalk that up as a point to the Club Registrar who specifically forbids his members from driving their cars down the coast for spot of fun.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:21 pm 
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Thank you... Someone who understands the position I am in. (I am the historic Plate Registrar for that "HITLER CLUB" of NSW.)
No one seems to be acknowledge the No 1 RMS "RULE" which state that "THE CAR IS TO BE AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"


So I assume that these would be classed as "AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE"?

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And that they set an example to everyone what is acceptable in the MCCNSW.


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I'm just gonna sit back now and wait for the fireworks to start


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:48 pm 
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ryan wrote:
thomas_hb and Morris 1100, out of interest are both of you members of a club the uses the conditional rego scheme? Do you guys have cars registered on the scheme?

The reason I ask is because of my involvement in Minis In The Gong and I am trying to gauge the feasibility of MITG becoming part of the Scheme.


Please investigate this very carefully before you go down this path.
There can be a lot of paperwork and responsibility on the Executives of "not for profit clubs".
You may be better off finding an existing club that "suits your needs" than starting another club.
Many clubs (including the one that I was secretary for for ~15 years) are not always up to date with what is required of clubs.
For instance:-
Meeting minutes
Meeting attendance sheets
Public officer
Executives
Monthly/quarterly BAS statements
Annual General Meetings
AGM reporting to Office Of Fair a Trading
Constitution
Liability insurance
Member protection policy
Bank accounts
Etc

And if you don't comply, there can be penalties both financially and personally.

Here is a link that may get you started http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/Coope ... tions.html

Don't think this is the easy answer to get what you want.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:21 pm 
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That's like running a small business phil and you don't get anything out of it but a headache not worth the trouble

Maybe the nsw mini club needs to have a sub branch club down south like they do up north west Newcastle to hunter region I think


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:24 pm 
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[quote="Morris 1100"]

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Just quoting your post so I get another look at my great cars. Thanks Morris 1100

BTW - the black car is a stock standard Mini K. I'm guessing if I'd painted shiney black you wouldn't have a problem with it?

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:56 pm 
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drjbeam wrote:
That's like running a small business phil and you don't get anything out of it but a headache not worth the trouble

Maybe the nsw mini club needs to have a sub branch club down south like they do up north west Newcastle to hunter region I think


It's not like running a small business, it IS running a small business.
The President and Treasurer of the New South Wales Superkart Club put in a ridiculous amount of time so that the members have a "seamless" year of race meetings.
I don't know how they spare the time.
In"dips me hat" to all executives/committee members of clubs for the unpaid effort that they put in.
And then if it doesn't suit a particular member, they cop the flack for their unpaid effort.

I'm not sure if a Sub Branch would be much simpler, but I guess you could piggy back off all the existing documentation.

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Kyoda wrote:

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Just quoting your post so I get another look at my great cars. Thanks Morris 1100

BTW - the black car is a stock standard Mini K. I'm guessing if I'd painted shiney black you wouldn't have a problem with it?

I don't have a problem with it, it looks great, I was just using it as an example of the definition of "AS CLOSE TO ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE" in the Mini Car Club so that everyone can see what the boundaries are.
I assume that the rules are applied fairly and equally across the whole membership? That if an 18 year old joined the club he could paint his car in a similar fashion, fit modern wheels, a roll cage, etc. and get club plates without any questions?


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Morris 1100 wrote:
I assume that the rules are applied fairly and equally across the whole membership? That if an 18 year old joined the club he could paint his car in a similar fashion, fit modern wheels, a roll cage, etc. and get club plates without any questions?


If the modern wheels were up to 12inch. No problem.

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I think this is about enough for this thread for now.

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