My engine number is V79247P. No idea what it means, but i've been told it's something along the lines of the Vic police siezing and rebadging it at some stage of it's life.

Code is:
V Victoria (N is NSW, Q is Qld, etc)
79 the year issued
247 the number from police book
P identifies it as a Police issue.

my last one like that was N891501P.

When you bought a new A series motor they had no number stamped on. The Police used to check your paperwork, give a number and tell ya where to go get it stamped.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

OK my rods are 145mm so that answers that - I have some bits and pieces at home that are supposed to be for a remote diff housing in a moke - must have been an earlier version

Thanks Doc - thats the number on the crank

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David L


My greatest fear in life is that when I die my wife will sell my Mini and tools for the price I told her I paid for them!

The 4 syncro remote box from 1969 to 1974 would have used the other bits that you have.

hey guys
i am looking at an original 1967 MK1 Cooper S for purchase
engine no: 9F/SA/xxxxx
aLL BODY IDENT GONE EXCEPT FOR, i assume is a police number
N73xxxxp
how do I track its last registation details/original chassis number?

i really would appreciate any help

any help?

The fact that it's got a police number means all it's original details were unable to be found , whatever it's original details were they are no longer applicable to the mini (possibly rebirthed into another one , who knows) . Without verifyable numbers you aren't buying a genuine , original cooper s but a round-nosed mini witha cooper s engine and other bits , it should be priced accordingly or walk away I'm affraid .

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I have traced the car back to the original owner
I have sent all the photos of the car in pieces to chris gough at oz cooper and he went through an unbelievably long checklist to verify its identity.
All these different holes, brackets, pedals, breathers etc that i would never have even noticed.
The car was sitting under a tree for 20 years and the body has been fully restored and painted
all the suspension and brakes have been renewed and re-installed

all other original parts supplied including coop s motor with machine work done

how does seven grand sound?

Sounds cheap to me, we paid that for a resto `67 Cooper S replica years ago... with a 1098 in it!

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

What can the original owner tell you about all the missing identifiers? Sounds a bit shonky to me

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Your silliness has been noted.

How did you trace the original owner etc , was it from details provided by the seller ? PersonallY I would put little faith in that unless the original owner and subsequent owners can all give you Statutary Declarations to say they bought it from whoever and sold it to whoever for all owners and whoever owned it when the ID vanished can also give you a Stat Dec explaining why it lost it's identity . The fact it has a Police number means it's identity was unable to be verified , I've seen a lot of motors with Police numbers but never a car as it's normally a sign of being stolen and rebirthed . It's highly likely it left the factory as a genuine cooper s but it's original identity could well be running around as another cooper s .

Regardless of that , it sounds like a bargain , as you say , body restored and painted , suspension etc overhauled too , it's probably worth more than that in parts alone

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Yeh
current owner is a very close middle aged friend friend and is mechanic out here in Dubbo NSW
it was the only mini he was never going to part with
he has 4 minis one moke all immaculate.
a marriage break-up has necessitated the cooper s to depart his possession
He bought it from his best mate in Coonamble, who bought it from his brother who had the car reposessed in 1973 from coonamble and it was sent to Sydney to the Police yards for further investigation.
Why do I know this?
I rang the Original owner in Coonamble who is now in his 50's and owned the car when he was still in School (these rich farmers sons!) The motor was the original motor
He gave me the full story and is writing it all down and has 1970's rego papers somewhere.

The old owner is a farmer and is honest as they come (not like some of these dodgy city slickers). After getting a mostly positive ID from OZCOOPER I am getting the little beast and I feel that because of its chequered history it somehow appeals to me more.

What about that white ex Police Cooper S in MINI Experience that has only a Police Identification number. The mag still states that it is an original??

Well without its correct ID Plate and numbers etc , its just as sports850 says , just another round nose mini , with a Cooper S motor , unfortunately . It may have left the factory as a genuine Cooper S , but now its just a look alike really , no matter how many letters of authenticity or original owners to state its genuine . This would be reflected in price if you ever tried to auction it , through a reputable auction place like Shannons for example ..... $7000 though , is a very good price for a look alike , I would grab it if I was you , genuine S with all correct ID are selling for around $15-$20,000 now , some for even more ....

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1965 Morris 850
1966 Morris Mini Minor
1967 Morris Cooper 'S'
1977 Leyland LS

Well without its correct ID Plate and numbers etc , its just as sports850 says , just another round nose mini , with a Cooper S motor , unfortunately . It may have left the factory as a genuine Cooper S , but now its just a look alike really , no matter how many letters of authenticity or original owners to state its genuine

I don't think that way of reasoning is quite right. With re-birthing of cars in the 60s 70s and 80s whos to say that most people with "matching" numbers etc are in fact original cooper s.
there would be people out there who could have obtained an unstamped plate and or engine block and punched their own numbers into it - we all know it can be done. SO how can a car be a look alike when it never was rebirthed and has never changed from factory - ever. I suppose the real challenge lies to prove that it isn't a cooper s .

I thought a car that has a 40 year chain of title with all those little idiosincracies the coop has such as that tiny little plastic breather vent behind the passenger seat (which incidently I did not know about until I asked the question ) but as I was told it a sure sign of a coop s, would mean more than a metal plate that can be stamped by anyone anywhere for little outlay.

Does anyone know if there is a department we can call to get a record of that police number?

thanks for all your advice people

In all probability it is a genuine S . All im saying is that without its correct ID , its just not worth the price of one that has its correct ID , and I think the purchase price of $7000 reflects that quite well . A few minutes with a drill can put a hole under the rear left hand passenger seat for the fuel breather . Would you pay big big money for a "genuine" Falcon GTHO or XU1 Torana , as they are getting now at auction , without its Correct ID plate and identifying numbers , I know that myself , I wouldn't , even if the original owner says its the genuine article . Genuine Cooper S and Clubman GT will be worth big money in years to come , any mini will , as they get harder to find . Ask Shannons to give you a valuation based on the info you have . The real challenge lies in proving that it is GENUINE , im sorry to say , but if you are happy that it is the genuine article , then thats up to you ......

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1965 Morris 850
1966 Morris Mini Minor
1967 Morris Cooper 'S'
1977 Leyland LS