In a word, No.


I followed my Pathie home in the Mini when it was raised. The first alignment they did on it... It was way out. But I only knew that because I followed it for 40 minutes, thinking, "Man that rear camber is massively positive on the right rear!" It was at +1.4º.

Thinking back to the original post... How many vehicles are there out there that could be lowered more than 50mm? Let alone the 150mm mentioned? Surely people aren't going and importing Hummers, then lowering them? They'd be less conspicuous!


You're right - there's been a lot of discussion about it for a long time... At the moment, to my understanding, a 4WD can go up 2" in suspension and 2" in wheel diameter without engineering. Then you get people who go and throw in body lifts... There's a 5" lift (well, diff drop, really) available (engineered) for my Pathie, that's before you go and increase tyre size...

It's definitely seen by people on 4WD forums as an attack on them.

And really lifted 4WD's which look really terrible to steer? It's often because the bloke's been out 4WDing, and hasn't bothered reconnecting the sway bars yet.


And that should extend to wheel spacers, lighting, everything.

Are you 19? come to SA, you can sue my address for a fortnight and transfer your P's over for a full full licence with no tests :lol:

Anyway, the unfase thing with lowering cars is when the original suspension is cut then put back in, it not only de-tempers (correct term?) the steel but also takes the suspension out of its operating range. Ie, if your springs are a foot long (for arguments sake) and are meant to compress 15% of that distance, chopping them down a bit will make them say 25cm (2 inches off as stated by Mr Plod), this will mean that sure, they are lower, but they will travel the same distance (if not more as there is less springy resistance) as they would when they were full length, meaning the distance travelled in comparison to the length of the spring is greater, which can and will cause many problems including bottoming out your fully sick bumper.

All this can be avioded if you just go buy a proper lowering kit, it doesnt take a genius to put it in. Although, the 'engineeringly correct' way to lower a cars suspension is to actually raise the point where your suspension fits to the vehicle, so your suspension still operates within its designed limits.

Thats my understanding anywho, and I am most likely going to be corrected on a few things so i apologise in advance for anything i might have wrong.

-Matt

Bollocks! My mate just bought a Citroen CD5 Wagon. You can sit there and push a button that will raise and lower the vehicle way over what this nut job pollie is cracking on about.

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That'd be airbag suspension. its not designed to be run at full high or low as stealing candy from a baby. Its just a different type of suspension that happens to be able to be raised and lowered, so you don't scrape on speed bumps or whatnot.

gees.... i would hate to have hydro bags these days then..!! When i had my old deluxe with hydro that thing would loose fluid be pumped up, loose fluid be pumped up.... it was 5cm up, 5cm down almost fortnightly..!!

i think what politicians should do is tell everyone that they need to drive a Prius. That would solve everything. No way you can hoon, environmentally friendly, slow, safe and no way anyone would bother modifying them..!!!!

In the Citroen's case it is definitely not airbag suspension! It is a hydropneumatic system also called 'Hydractive' by Citroen. It is a full hydraulic suspension set up that provides an extremely comfortable ride as well as a completely self levelling and easily adjustable suspension system. Citroen's have had this unique and wonderful system since the 50's and its definitely not to be confused with airbags.

Cheers
Steve

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some of the guys on another forum (its VW www.melburgluft.com) I read on are talking about getting as many car clubs, forums, 4wd clubs together to protest this. It would be great to see a united front of car lovers getting in on the action and trying to stop this spreading to other states throughout the country.

A petition has sprung up already, I will get the link.

David

whats the bet he got taken over by some ricer on the way to work while going 20km/h under the speed limit and decided to make some new rule

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Another car that has incar adjustable suspension is some Range Rover. I'm pretty sure i'm remembering correctly. (This model had airbags, same setup as most trucks) . And this car may not be designed to be driven at its highest setting, but this one sure was!

The angle of the driveshafts was enough that it totally flogged out the uni joints, so much so that the yokes were wearing into bolts etc. Kinda like a stuffed rubber uni on a mini.


So will it then be illegal to push the button inside the car that raises the car? Or will it be ok because it was complied as it is.

Learn something new every day, i generally dislike import cars, with a few exceptions with the classics, so was half guessin that one. I wonder...could it be fitted to a mini *ponders*

new rules are new rules, and the transport authorities will see them at rego time.

more rules, means more police state politics. There are no more hoons than there were 20 years ago. There are no more road deaths than there were 20 years ago. People drank and drove, people modified there cars and nothing has changed except the laws that restrict us more every day.

in qld they have tried for a decade to get the road death toll below 300 a year, and every law they bring in does nothing to decrease accidents and the road toll. If you actually look at the stats, in some years in a row, they have actually increased.

More excuses to police the public, no real outcomes that are valuable to society.

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Just thought i might add that the stats don't mean a thing unless you bring the number of people on the roads into the equation. If you put more people on the road each year, chances are, more people are going to crash! Funny isn't it?

I imagine that the road toll per population is decreased.