You will read them. You won't be able to resist.

Back on the original topic, I believe there are different compounds available in the A032R's. Can anyone confirm this?

I have a set for Wets that are way too old but I think they are a harder compound as they came off Henry Drapers Targa tassie car. Is there a soft race version?

HRS

I can only muddy the waters here....
I have never seen the mini version advertised with differing compounds (and have looked across websites all over the globe)

However the A032R range does have 2 compounds ...
Stolen from the tirerack website :

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Yokohama&tireModel=ADVAN+A032R


EDIT:
The Yokohama website only refers to H compound version for 165/70/10
http://www.yokohama-online.com/fileadmin/tyres_db/YOKOHAMA_Motorsport.pdf

EDIT EDIT: Can that H compound comment - must be going crossed eyed.... time for bed .... try again tomorrow.

Got a time machine, grae grae?

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ok,,, i wasn`t going to post anymore on this either

BUT!!!!

It seems to me that this whole discussion has got out of hand,,, we can revive it tho & we don`t need to punch anyone in the face by doing so (hopefully)

bare with me for a moment gentlemen,,, Please???

Ok,,, so we have a question,,, what are American racers like? well it`s not a well known subject & out of all the people---> i expect that Lindsay would know,,,

but Everyone wants a piece of the pie & throw their 2cents worth in, comparing Hoosiers with Yokos right? ,,, well,,, that`s what has happened

then we have the GR versus the rest of the world fight (again/still)

so what,,, if GR reckons he`s getting more out of the Yokos then who`s to argue with him??? (Not me,,, i just said that i "LIKE" the hoosiers better than the yokos in the dry) & if you do argue with him then show some proof (lap times) simple right??? No one can right? ... so that`s that , right???

all we are hearing (& i`m saying the same thing) is that we all have found more fun & better times with Hossiers right??? (except GR/Greig) cool,,, we have that sorted right???

Now GR has attempted to show some sort of proof,,, but it was in the wet,,, OK well,,, that`s not really fair because nearly everyone has already commented & agreed on how well yokos work in the wet,,, so we are all actually agreeing on that one,,, But maybe GR doesn`t realise what he`s typed yeah?? GR??? think about what you`ve typed with you photos,,, it was wet,,, who`s going to argue with you when it`s wet,,, there`s only been agree-ance right across the board that yokos are better in the wet,,,, so stop playing games ok???

My thoughts are that (& it`s just simple fact) that the biggest difference in a driver/car combination, against another drive/car combination,,, is the driver!!!!!!!!!!,,, Now that is with a decent "comparable" powered engine ... & the tyre/suspension combo being fairly """SIMILAR"""

Now that`s a fact!!!!!!!!!,,, i`m not going to back off that one, i can tell you all that with total & absolute commitment & confidence.

The driver is the biggest factor,,, ,add a damn good donk to that & then add a damn good handling package to that & you got a damn good package,,, """THAT`S""" what both mini7boy & i have been saying,,, ---->it`s simply not just a matter of the yokos being the """REASON"":" why Greig is quick.

then,,,, the rest of the package "Combined" with that particular driver/... Notice the word "Combined" please????,,, it`s most important that you register that word--. "Combined"

Mini7boy is dead right,,, he`s said that he`s """"heard reports""" from all around him, racing in the same game, with hoosiers winning against the yokos in the dry...

so have i,,,

GR begs to differ cause he`s found a "Combination" that "Seems" to work for him & Greig,,, cool that`s all good feedback right???

& yes,,, Grieg is a dam good driver,,, i know that,,, no holes barred here, i can say that with utmost confidence,,, i just can`t see anyone driving any particular mini "faster" than anyone else can (with equal practise) in that same car, on that same track,,., bring it on i say,,, let henry draper or Lindsay Siebler or Greg Wakefield or even me drive Griegs car & we`ll see yeah>??? Bring it to Lakeside & lets do a "Back-to-back" test yeah???

Now lets put my next door neighbour into the saet yeah??? HHHmmm maybe not hey? i`d say we`d be up for some panel repairs yeah???

I have driven soooooo many cars on sooo many tracks & against sooo many other people & in the same cars to be able to confidently & absolutely comfortable say that i doubt anyone could drive any mini "Faster" ,,, & if it`s possible then graig lowndes should have beaten me on a go-kart track yeah><>>??? But he didn`t !!!!!!!...

Given the same car , on thje same day,,, we may have equal-ish times, but i dare say that i doubt anyone could be any where near marginally better.,,, but some other people could & definatley would be """WAY"" worse yeah???

Big Call yeah???

well,,, i`ve prooved it over & over & for years & years on end & i`d dearly love to proove it again if the circumstances can be arranged,,, bring Griegs car to Lakeside & let us both at it for about 10 laps & lets see, yeah???

so,,, a barely marginal difference between any bundle of tyres is just not worth the difference in drivers & engine suspension pakages """COMBINED""""---> The """PACKAGE"""

Mini7boy is right there,,, that`s exactly what he was saying all along (Me too) the time difference that GR is illuding to just cannot be put down to simply the yokos,,, The car, it`s handling package, it`s power & the way it`s delivered are all major contributiions to the entire package,,, It`s quite simply not just the yokos that make Grieg fast

If the yokos were """THAT""" good & were SOooooo much faster then surely everyone would be running them yeah???,,, but it`s obviously not the case is it???

GR has found them quicker for his (Griegs) """Package""" cool,,, no one is arguing that point,,, in fact that`s what mini7boy is saying,,, it`s the combination

stop the crap & listen to the obvious facts...ok???

Now that said,,, mini7boy, --->i have to make note of feral,,, yes he`s getting more & more blind every day,,, it saddens me no end actually,,, So may i ask that please stop with the feral bashing,,, he`s a VERY decent & VERY knowlegable person in the game & you should respect him highly,,, Please?

But feral,,, you also have to agree with mini7boy on what he said earlier,,, go back & "try" to read what he typed early on... he`s right,,, he`s said that Griegs speed is not just from the tyres alone, he`s accepted & acknowleged that GR & Grieg have found a nice "Package" & the Yokos make up "Part" of that Package.

the fact is that its not just the tyres... its not just yokos are the best & therfor everyone should be using them right?

damn it`s almost like GR is sponsored by yoko & he`s pushing for everyone else to use them kidding GR, settle pettle

But in saying that,,, maybe it`s GR`s secret ploy to make everyone "Think" they are quicker just so everyone turns over to the yokos & suddenly we may see Grieg back to driving on Hoosiers & whipping everyone by even more time than before yeah>?>???? i`m onto you GR Kidding mate, it`s all good,,, i just like Hoosiers better,,, they`re more fun to drive on

ok,,, i`ve sofened the blow yeah???,,, lets keep this damn thread on track & talk sensibly ok???,,, group hug & move forward yeah??? Please???

mini7boy,,, i`m with ya mate,,, come back & lets play some more ok???

Ok,,,soooo ,,,, how`s about some "Back-to-Back" lap times on your local/favourit track with yokos against Hoosiers, against American racers, against Dunlop F1s --->>> ?????

Anyone???

NO???

Who`s got some serious solid data (NO not you GR we already know what you`re going to say right??? although you didnt give me a lap time difference when i asked for it now did you???)

Now,,, all of you go back & re-read all the posts,,, gather yourselves ,,, & lets get back to giving the masses a "Decent" mature constructive conversation/disscussion about what tyre does what????

OK???

crickey do i have to become a mod or something??? Kidding

Edit--> spelling

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

HI Matt
Read what i wrote ONLY PRACTICE was in the WET.You want to know about americian race tyres ask me ive been setting david wheatleys car up on them for ages now and we are getting some wery quick times with them now quicker than any body so far wakefield 1.13s eastern creek 1.56s but like i said they are to soft in the wall and the tyre takes over from the suspension because it wobbles to much in the side wall.thats why we have got them to make them harder in the wall.
the americian race tyre was a speed way tyre and was far to to soft in the wall and they made them stiffer before the sent them out the first time. like i said in my post wait an see what this new batch will be like,you never know the may even beat the yokos.
PS all the races were run in the DRY at phillip island year
Graham Russell
OH sorry matt 3 to 4 tenths a lap

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So David Wheatly with American racer tyres is quicker than Grieg on yokos ???

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

I would like to clear this up. Feral is indeed blind. This only occured in the last 12-24 months. But has been getting progressivly worse over time. There is threads about this scattered around on here. Now I have only met Feral once, which was at Hay this year. I don't have any tie's to him. BUT, I do feel it is important to point out that, his post about his eyesite isn't in anyway a joke.

Anyway, back to the "Discussion" at hand.

I have run all types in motorkhana's
American racers
Hoosiers
Dunlops
yoko a008's
yoko 032r's

My prefference is 032r's on the front, a008's on the back(they don't delaminate doing handbrake turns as quickly)
Thats my opinion
That is all

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HI Matt
NO but we are working on the problem
Greigs doing 1.10 around wakefield
Graham Russell

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"It's better to be not informed than ill-informed"

Thanks Aaron

I guess 7boy knows more than my doctor......he is just poor convict stock after all

As GR stated Greig was running 1.10s at wakefield 2 years ago on hoosiers in practice and doing low 11sd in race conditions, Henry was about a second sloower but he wasn't on hoosiers at the time and felt he would of been closer if he was on new tyres at the same meeting, both guys are brilliant to watch and great guys to sit and have a yarn with, like most of the mini racers

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Roundies and Clubbies(except vans) are both ugly that is why I have Midas and a van
1293 Mini Midas Bronze,1275 Clubman van

Hi Crush
Ill get the CD put up no my web site
Then you can sit and watch it all day, and count how many REVES it pulls when it jumps out of second gear coming out of honda but stop counting when you get to high 9s.
Graham Russell

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"It's better to be not informed than ill-informed"

x 2

ok, now common,,, lets kick this one back off again

where`s this discussion gone?,,, it was good for a while & now it`s stalled for a bit,,, can we get back to some good opld fashion arguing about who`s got the best tyres & whos got the best wheel alignment settings & whos got the fastest lap at whatever track on whatever tyres they`re running please???



what about those good old "Aqua-jerks"... now "That`s" a good race tyre yeah???

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Hi Matt
In testing on tuesday matt we were getting 1.46 gs in cornering at wake field in the yellow car on yoks still got more work to do.
Graham russell

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"It's better to be not informed than ill-informed"

Ah,,,, Obviously not driving hard enough,,, take the hand brake off GR

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.