ok,,, i wasn`t going to post anymore on this either
BUT!!!!
It seems to me that this whole discussion has got out of hand,,, we can revive it tho & we don`t need to punch anyone in the face by doing so (hopefully)
bare with me for a moment gentlemen,,, Please???
Ok,,, so we have a question,,, what are American racers like? well it`s not a well known subject & out of all the people---> i expect that Lindsay would know,,,
but Everyone wants a piece of the pie & throw their 2cents worth in, comparing Hoosiers with Yokos right? ,,, well,,, that`s what has happened
then we have the GR versus the rest of the world fight (again/still)
so what,,, if GR reckons he`s getting more out of the Yokos then who`s to argue with him??? (Not me,,, i just said that i "LIKE" the hoosiers better than the yokos in the dry) & if you do argue with him then show some proof (lap times) simple right??? No one can right? ... so that`s that , right???
all we are hearing (& i`m saying the same thing) is that we all have found more fun & better times with Hossiers right??? (except GR/Greig) cool,,, we have that sorted right???
Now GR has attempted to show some sort of proof,,, but it was in the wet,,, OK well,,, that`s not really fair because nearly everyone has already commented & agreed on how well yokos work in the wet,,, so we are all actually agreeing on that one,,, But maybe GR doesn`t realise what he`s typed yeah?? GR??? think about what you`ve typed with you photos,,, it was wet,,, who`s going to argue with you when it`s wet,,, there`s only been agree-ance right across the board that yokos are better in the wet,,,, so stop playing games ok???
My thoughts are that (& it`s just simple fact) that the biggest difference in a driver/car combination, against another drive/car combination,,, is the driver!!!!!!!!!!,,, Now that is with a decent "comparable" powered engine ... & the tyre/suspension combo being fairly """SIMILAR"""
Now that`s a fact!!!!!!!!!,,, i`m not going to back off that one, i can tell you all that with total & absolute commitment & confidence.
The driver is the biggest factor,,, ,add a damn good donk to that & then add a damn good handling package to that & you got a damn good package,,, """THAT`S""" what both mini7boy & i have been saying,,,
---->it`s simply not just a matter of the yokos being the """REASON"":" why Greig is quick.
then,,,, the rest of the package "Combined" with that particular driver/... Notice the word "Combined" please????,,, it`s most important that you register that word--. "Combined"
Mini7boy is dead right,,, he`s said that he`s """"heard reports""" from all around him, racing in the same game, with hoosiers winning against the yokos in the dry...
so have i,,,
GR begs to differ cause he`s found a "Combination" that "Seems" to work for him & Greig,,, cool that`s all good feedback right???
& yes,,, Grieg is a dam good driver,,, i know that,,, no holes barred here, i can say that with utmost confidence,,, i just can`t see anyone driving any particular mini "faster" than anyone else can (with equal practise) in that same car, on that same track,,., bring it on i say,,, let henry draper or Lindsay Siebler or Greg Wakefield or even me drive Griegs car & we`ll see yeah>??? Bring it to Lakeside & lets do a "Back-to-back" test yeah???
Now lets put my next door neighbour into the saet yeah??? HHHmmm maybe not hey? i`d say we`d be up for some panel repairs yeah???
I have driven soooooo many cars on sooo many tracks & against sooo many other people & in the same cars to be able to confidently & absolutely comfortable say that i doubt anyone could drive any mini "Faster" ,,, & if it`s possible then graig lowndes should have beaten me on a go-kart track yeah><>>??? But he didn`t !!!!!!!...
Given the same car , on thje same day,,, we may have equal-ish times, but i dare say that i doubt anyone could be any where near marginally better.,,, but some other people could & definatley would be """WAY"" worse yeah???
Big Call yeah???
well,,, i`ve prooved it over & over & for years & years on end & i`d dearly love to proove it again if the circumstances can be arranged,,, bring Griegs car to Lakeside & let us both at it for about 10 laps & lets see, yeah???
so,,, a barely marginal difference between any bundle of tyres is just not worth the difference in drivers & engine suspension pakages """COMBINED""""---> The """PACKAGE"""
Mini7boy is right there,,, that`s exactly what he was saying all along (Me too) the time difference that GR is illuding to just cannot be put down to simply the yokos,,, The car, it`s handling package, it`s power & the way it`s delivered are all major contributiions to the entire package,,, It`s quite simply not just the yokos that make Grieg fast
If the yokos were """THAT""" good & were SOooooo much faster then surely everyone would be running them yeah???,,, but it`s obviously not the case is it???
GR has found them quicker for his (Griegs) """Package""" cool,,, no one is arguing that point,,, in fact that`s what mini7boy is saying,,, it`s the combination
stop the crap & listen to the obvious facts...ok???
Now that said,,, mini7boy, --->i have to make note of feral,,, yes he`s getting more & more blind every day,,, it saddens me no end actually,,, So may i ask that please stop with the feral bashing,,, he`s a VERY decent & VERY knowlegable person in the game & you should respect him highly,,, Please?
But feral,,, you also have to agree with mini7boy on what he said earlier,,, go back & "try" to read what he typed early on... he`s right,,, he`s said that Griegs speed is not just from the tyres alone, he`s accepted & acknowleged that GR & Grieg have found a nice "Package" & the Yokos make up "Part" of that Package.
the fact is that its not just the tyres... its not just yokos are the best & therfor everyone should be using them right?
damn it`s almost like GR is sponsored by yoko & he`s pushing for everyone else to use them

kidding GR, settle pettle
But in saying that,,, maybe it`s GR`s secret ploy to make everyone "Think" they are quicker just so everyone turns over to the yokos & suddenly we may see Grieg back to driving on Hoosiers & whipping everyone by even more time than before yeah>?>???? i`m onto you GR

Kidding mate, it`s all good,,, i just like Hoosiers better,,, they`re more fun to drive on
ok,,, i`ve sofened the blow yeah???,,, lets keep this damn thread on track & talk sensibly ok???,,, group hug & move forward yeah??? Please???
mini7boy,,, i`m with ya mate,,, come back & lets play some more ok???
Ok,,,soooo ,,,, how`s about some "Back-to-Back" lap times on your local/favourit track with yokos against Hoosiers, against American racers, against Dunlop F1s --->>> ?????
Anyone???
NO???
Who`s got some serious solid data (NO not you GR we already know what you`re going to say right??? although you didnt give me a lap time difference when i asked for it now did you???)
Now,,, all of you go back & re-read all the posts,,, gather yourselves ,,, & lets get back to giving the masses a "Decent" mature constructive conversation/disscussion about what tyre does what????
OK???
crickey do i have to become a mod or something???

Kidding
Edit--> spelling