Z-cars don't seem to have one listed - they put theirs in the back.

However:

http://www.pro-motive.co.uk./R1KitInfo.html

= $5350AUD at current rates.

That's actually not too bad, even with the $1k+ it would be for shipping.

I'll just go hide my credit card somewhere now...

Would soooooooo do it... if only it were allowed in Oz...

on another note about R1 buggy's...

Matty Attn: Dont do this!!!

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wow.. awesome so much information.. thanks matt. thanks guys..

something to go back & think about now.

Sorry guys but you're talking codswallop.

A flywheel will continue engine rotation between power pulses but will NOT produce or induce or increase or affect ...or any other word you want .. torque.

Although it will absorb a bit of the torque the engine can produce if you want to accelerate.

The flywheel does accumulate kinetic energy - thats where the torque goes - but its only a small amount.

It would be interesting to run a car down the road, kill the ignition and see how far the car would coast. You could repeat this using different flywheel masses. the difference in distance would be directly related to the KE stored in the flywheel (all else being equal). I would suggest you would need something other than a school ruler to measure the distance change ..... because a normal ruler doesn't have fine enough scales.

And, if you don't believe the physics, just point out one Japanese crotch rocket with a big iron flywheel to compensate for those torque deficient engines they run.

A Mini flywheel is somewhat short of a KERS device...

Cheers, Ian

most Jap cars have much "HEAVIER" flywheels than minis do (in general)

sorry but i think you have totally missed my point ,,, & i really do believe your point is that "YOU" like light-flywheels,,, Man ,,, so do i... but not in a small capacity "Road" motor

My point is,.,, """"SMALL CAPACITY A-SERIES ROAD MOTOR"""""

Nick (NG) started this thread about 100hp engines,,, but was talking(asking) about it for his """ROAD""" mini,,, & it`s a Stn Wagon... ---> not a lightweight race mini.

If what you say is sooo damn true Ian,,, then how`s about we take the flywheel out of the car alltogether,,,, (((( & I`ll Quote here---> """The Lighter The Better""" right Ian???

Lets just take the whole lot out yeah??? Just leave enough small diam to have some sort of tiny small diam clutch mech to make some grab & a flex-plate type "thing" simply for the starter ring gear ,,, Bugga all weight then ,,, almost none yeah???????????

The fact is that the poor little thing would Just """""STALL"""" every time you try to take off in first gear it would """STALL"""!!!!!!!!!!!!,.,,, so then you`d have to try & compensate for that "Lack of Torque" by Attempting to multiply the """TORQUE""" factor by means of Massive gear reduction """WAY PAST""" 4:1 or maybe even 5:1 1st gear ratio to enable some form of """civilised""" take off the line without stalling...with little or very very light weight flywheel, the car would simply stall off the mark without reving the tits off it & slipping the clutch.

Yes it`s an exageration, but that`s my point,,,,

Motorbikes have very little flywheel,,, """"BECAUSE"""" there is very little total mass to move,,, the flywheel is "Weighted" according to the power of the engine, the weight of the entire vehicle, & the desired """USE""" of the vehicle... simple as that !!!!!!!

sorry but a 500million tonne ocean-liner (Big Motha Boat) actually does need a motha pharken flywheel,,, so does a huge motha phucken 20 tonne train carrying 500 million tonnes of coal,,,etc etc etc,,, Yes quite a bit bigger than a mini flywheel yeah??? But again ---> """Horses for Course""" right???

that Jap car "co-relation" or "comparison" (((you stated))) have larger flywheels than minis,,, """Because""" they`re a heavier car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! &&&& they`re meant for """ROAD_USE""" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lightweight race cars (& motorbikes) "LIKE" lightweight flywheels,,,, but they do need zippier gearing & decent revs & "Fanning" of the clutch to get off the line,,, let alone get up hills without having to drop it down a few gears to keep the revs (& torque) up enough to keep it rolling without bogging down..

small capacity """ROAD""" minis are not that,,, road minis weigh approx 700kgs,,, (Wagons are even heavier) Bikes weigh approx 180kgs-ish-----> Big difference!!!!!!!!!!! & they`re meant to be """EASY""" to drive,,, """USER FRIENDLY""" & """FORGIVNG""" For """ROAD_USE"""

"""ROAD""" minis need some Flywheel weight,,, However """RACE""" Minis with 100hp-Plus would rather less flywheel weight (comparitively) for the accelleration factor,,, yes,,, you obviously like a lightweight flywheel in your mini,,, i think we all understand that Ian,,, so do i mate!!!!!!!!!!!!

i was trying to show the "Matching" of parts & the "Balance" of components , """comparitively"""" between """ROAD""" engines & 100hp """RACE""" engines,,, ---> Insert HINT here___> the title of the thread

if you like to just throw up "FACTS" about """STORED""" energy then please """PLACE IT""" correctly within the appropriate Thread

Or,,, would you rather """EVERYONE""" think that almost no flywheel is better for """EVERY"" """"ROAD""" mini & that the original designers of """EVERY SINGLE ROAD CAR"""" ever made is totally wrong by fitting fairly (comparitively) heavy flywheels ?????

obviously you must be right ... & the whole (World-Wide) motoring industry are totally brain-dead by fitting fairly heavy flywheels """COMPRED TO"""" the std (fairly light weight in comparison) mini flywheel Yeah?????

sorry,,, i` must not have a clue about what i`m talking about then & everyone please forgive my total ignorance of everything rotating... i obviously have no idea & absolutely no experience in this particular subject,,, obviously i`ve NEVER EVER experimented with any of this stuff & My CNC Machined "Light-weight" flywheels that i sell are just a scam

Ian,,, i appaude your persistance & your obvious intellegence,,, but i`m a miss at your "Placement" of said attempt at tuition

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

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Mt Orange,,, My buggy is """"transversely mounted and driving the front wheels""""

what is it you actually meant by that statement??? I don`t think i could have made it any more "Tranversly Mounted""" ,,,, or made it any more "Front wheel drive""" that it already is

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Oh & Ian,,, i have an Alloy V8 powered VW Kombi,,, it has heaps of "GRUNT" (torque) & yes i have a lightweight flywheel fitted ,,, a vee-dub one actually (lightweight compared to the std Lexus flywheel) ,,, but """BECAUSE""" of that lightweigfht flywheel i`ve actually had to make 1st gear very zippy to compensate,,, (aftermarket Albins gear kit)

please,,, with all your obvious wisdom, knowlege & experience with regards to rotational mass & torque,,, can you tell me what i`ve done wrong???,,, why did i need to "Zippy-up" my first gear ratio to enable me to simply "drive off" the mark without stalling Or without having to rev the guts out of it & fan the clutch??????

I can just imagine not having a flywheel at all in this thing,,,
"""LIGHTER THE BETTER""" right??? Oh,,, that`s right,,, it`s a """ROAD CAR""" I actually need to be able to drive it on the "ROAD" & be civilised "ROAD" car.

sorry,,, have i mentioned """ROAD CAR USE""" in this thread at all??? Maybe i missed stressing that point.... sorry.

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

lets use the Hypothetical "pottery wheel" i used before then shall we???

that big motha concreat slab, peddled up to speed (yes as David suggested it takes a little while longer to get up to speed) But now lets see how long that big motha thing takes to stop yeah???

Ok,,, right,,, now lets swap it out for a dinner plate

Edit--> Oh & i`ll just stop that massive concreat slab spinning by grabbing it with my hand real easy yeah

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Matt - I think you misread my post (or I miswrote it - one of the two!).

I was simply asking how hard it would be to transversely mount an R1 engine in the front of an actual mini, without any regard for road registration etc.

Just seems like a nice shortcut for a fast race car. Your special is going to always be faster, though!

no worries Mr Orange,,, i wondered what you meant,,, now i see

& yes it`s not "That" hard,,, especially if it`s for a Clubman body.

a roundy shell is a bit of a tight squeeze but is "Do-able" just damn tight,,, that`s why "Pro-drive" conversions in England actually turn the donk around backwards (still transvers tho) & run a special chain/gear drive assy to their diff,,, room is of a premium in these things

My buggy is all mini front subframe assy , just with "coil-over" shocks instead of rubber donuts & alloy cones

BUT!!! & this is part of the equation i was on about earlier--> you """NEED" to get rid of as much weight out of the entire car as possible... even i have had to Zippy-up the gear ratio on my 230kg buggy to effect a decent "drive-off-the-mark" without it stalling,,, Because there is very little flywheel weight in these bike motors,,, so you can imagine what drain there would be trying to pull a 650-700kg mini yeah???

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

would you be able to put in a heavier flywheel then?

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that`s the spirit lets fit one from a Train/locomotive shall we

one day (in a few months) the engine would finally get up to speed & after the 2nd month of rotating we`d have enough energy stored to be able roll to sydney on light throttle --> yes,,, another exageration, but in the other direction

back when i was about 10 years old i used to race my dad`s 1071cc (lightweight modified production class mini) at Surfers Paradise Raceway ... it had a 100hp Race donk & super light flywheel etc etc ,,, Nothing under 6000rpms but over that it was a screaming weapon... I Loved it,,, but my brother hated it cause he kept stalling it off the start line & bogged down bad in the tight corners... he didn`t "Understand" the engine characteristics , nor did he "Understand" the driving technique needed to make it perform well,,, now that was an absolute ning nong of an engine to drive on the "ROAD"

maybe i might have actually made my point clear now,,, "Maybe" ???

I`ll shut up now

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No offence intended here but--> anyone writing a book about minis 30 years ago may not have experienced such worn or stuffed-with components as we are finding these days.

You should put your heart & soul into everything you do.

Hey Matt,

I think Ian was more getting at the fact that a heavier flywheel won't produce more "torque" - I'm sure you didn't mean to say that (maybe you did?)
(i.e. if I compared the dyno "torque figures" with a lightweight flywheel compared to same engine with a heavy flywheel they would be exactly the same)

Interesting...

I think I'll get my current car right first though.

This probably needs to be discussed over beer!

agreed!

i was talkin in reference to putting the R1 donk in a mini? yes the engine has great power output... but it has not very much torque... would a heavier (SLIGHTLY) flywheel help this problem, or would it be better to redesign the engine with different cams etc?

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