From the floor it looks like a pov pak early clubman, but set up for rod shift.....it's had a 'new' front floor section welded in. The Rad shroud could have been changed however the appearance of the firewall (no numbers) also suggests some (bad) funny business.......

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As you can see from the Photo, we were trying to look for funny business regarding the numbers. There is also no disturbance on the inside of the fire wall of paint, as if there has never been numbers there. The shroud appears to be original. Dose the P4-82 mean anything to anybody.

Probably not the best choice of words to use on a public forum

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Your silliness has been noted.

They stamped the firewall numbers before painting.

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I thought in the early models the rad was stamped before painting and the firewall after. That's why the firewall often looks rusty. 

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68 Morris Cooper S Mk1 (*ex 78 1275 LS 4th last built, 70 Morris 1500 OHC & 70 MiniMatic)

The firewalls are rusty from carelessness when filling the master cylinders.

The firewall is the first section of the car body that is made when assembling the bodies, so it was stamped at this early point to keep track of it.

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Not really true with the Minis prior to mid 69. On those cars the firewall didn't get the number till after the car was made. On these cars the body number on the radiator shroud is painted and the car number on the firewall is stamped trough the paint.

I concur.

The body number was stamped before painting, and on pre-1969 and post-1970 Zetland cars the chassis number, which was stamped after final assembly, is the number on the firewall.

I am not 100% certain of this, but I believe the body number was not stamped on the car until it was a complete body - ie after the body was assembled but before painting. I will check into this a bit more.

Cheers,
Watto.

One thing I also found interesting with the body no. on the rad shroud is that it looks to be stamped by machine, ie the numbers are perfectly even in depth and perfectly spaced. Perhaps they used a machine like a stapler.

The firewall number is the opposite, it is quite obviously stamped by hand. The numbers are unevenly spaced and varied depth.

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68 Morris Cooper S Mk1 (*ex 78 1275 LS 4th last built, 70 Morris 1500 OHC & 70 MiniMatic)

You mean like this?

Watto.

Or this Mk1...

Those numbers on my 79 Moke looked like the guy was leaning drunk when he stamped it- could hardly read the tops of all the letters.

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DrMini- 1970 wasaMatic 1360, Mk1S crank, 86.6HP (ATW) =~125 @ crank, 45 Dellorto (38 chokes), RE282 sprint cam, 1.5 rockers, 11.0:1 C/R.

No that green one is Mk2 and that would be by hand. Mine is like Morris 1100's post.

Like this....



...although the YG2S on the green one looks to be stamped using the same method as the earlier body no.

Didn't Mk2's have the body No. (500 less approx) in the bonnet gutter? What do these numbers look like?

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68 Morris Cooper S Mk1 (*ex 78 1275 LS 4th last built, 70 Morris 1500 OHC & 70 MiniMatic)

I'm sure I saw a post on here where they had stamped the first no. (on the firewall) upside down, then obviiously thought "stuff-it" and stamped the whole number upside down.

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68 Morris Cooper S Mk1 (*ex 78 1275 LS 4th last built, 70 Morris 1500 OHC & 70 MiniMatic)

The number on that green Mk2 (1969) is as all of the period I have seen. The YG2S is clearly one stamp. The 4 is a separate stamp, and would be replaced by a 1 or a 3 depending on the model. The rest of the chassis number is made up of four individual stampings.

The two Mk1 cowls shown look neater, but the gaps are still a little uneven and the horizontal alignment is not perfect, so I would question if they were done in one stamp or by a machine.

Yes, the 1969 cars had the body number in the rain channel. It had the M2/06 stamped one way, and the body number, 619, stamped from the opposite side. Of course 619 would look much the same from above or below, except the 1 is one-directional and is clearly up-side-down compared with the M2/06 (photo taken from the windscreen side).



Cheers,
Watto.