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PostPosted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 8:39 pm 
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Doc I looked up the MSDS for Valvoline XLD Classic and XLD Premium about two months ago as I was building a B series 1620 motor for my MG Magnette.
I found that there was no ZDDP in the Classic but ZDDP in the Premium.
At the moment I am using Penrite running in oil as I have fitted new cam followers and the longer pushrods.
I think that we should be using oils with ZDDP with our flat tappet engines.
I just wish I had used a better oil in my brother's engine, an 850 with 60 thou oversize flat tops.


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I bought some valvoline xld classic for the last oil change. My psi drops to a shade under 25 at idle. Guess I better try the Fuchs oil too.

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Nothing wrong with a 25psi hot idle. The std oil light comes on at 8psi approx.

re the ZDDP question, I'd suggest Classic is more likely to still have it than XLD Premium, as later oils are more likely to not have it- it has been banned in these due to its effect on cat converters. Perhaps it's just a typo and they put it to the wrong grade. If worried, it might be worth asking a real person at Valvoline directly.

If you read all the guff on US websites re ZDDP, it's being suggested there (by cam grinders, no less) that it is only really beneficial during running in of the cam.
Other additives eg molybond are known to be benefical for cam break-in.

Whatever, XLD Classic works for me, in the absence of original KMX. And I have about 7 bottles to use up.
I'll just keep an eye on the valve lift whenever I adjust the valves... :wink:

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Thanks for putting my mind at ease Doc. I put more k's on it yesterday then I have in the last 9 months so was worried when the gauge dropped at the lights.

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I might try an oil change on the week end.
Hey Doc what's involved in the stuff you suggested.

1. Make sure the spring is straight, or get a new Cooper S one.
2. Pinch a CV ball (9/16") or go buy a new one from a bearing shop.
3. Grind a chamfer inside the best end of the spring so it sits on the ball better. I use a pointed stone in the die grinder. It's not essential if you can't do it.
4. Cut a piece of smooth 5/16" or 8.0m steel rod 40mm long, deburr the ends and put it inside the spring. This stops the spring bending and pushing the ball sideways off the seat (with instant oil pressure drop).
5. Remove the old relief valve plunger. I use a 10mm dynabolt, put it inside the plunger and then do the nut up a bit. Then you have a handle to pull the sucker out with. But sometimes they come out easy with your finger (if the right size).
6. Assemble it all into the valve, refit the cap, start engine and check pressure. If it's too high, trim 2mm or more off the outer end of the spring.
I run mine @ 70-75psi hot from 2500rpm up. Cold, it's ~90psi... :D

Time to split hairs....I removed the old set up and it looks like a po has done this before and I've found some differences between their set up and my set up.
My stuff is on the left, the one out of the engine is on the right;
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My ball is straight out of a CV and is 11/16" (16.62mm) the old one is 9/16" (14.28mm) this doesn't match up with what you said above, which ball should I use :?: .
My shaft is 7.8mm and the old is 8.3mm (but has square edges so can jam up in the spring) and the ID of the spring is 8.7mm, I'd like to use the old shaft (after I chamfer the ends) seeing as it's a closer fit so less chance of the spring bending on the shaft. Do you agree with this :?:
I'll be using my new spring just not sure about the other two parts...

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I just checked through the how to's and found your guide on this in their http://www.ausmini.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=58088 you also mentioned the CV --- 9/16" ball. From my measurements a drive shaft CV is 11/16" so am I missing something?

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I don't have a CV handy in bits, but I was led to believe they are all 9/16 dia. Pot joint ones are bigger..
I use new 9/16" ones from the bearing shop, they are so cheap they might give you a couple for free.
re the rod inside the spring it needs to slide easy, if binding it's too big.
I use a bit of 8mm rod usually.
The spring on the L looks like an S one, and the other a common Mini one..

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Kenno,

I had an 998 that did the exact same thing. Bryan at Link had a look and couldn't work out what was going on. The next step was a dismantle to see what was going on.

Sadly it didn't get that far as it felt putting a Rod where it shouldn't be was a better idea.

Don't drive it until you find the cause. It's not worth it.

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The spring needs to be straight for this to work properly- if it is bent or distorted, bin the spring and get a new one.

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I have reassembled it and it didn't change anything :roll: . Yes your right it's a brand new cooper S spring, about 3-4mm longer than the old one. I reused the old 9/16" ball.
The CV I raided was a pot joint, what CV are you referring to?

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CVs are the ones inside the swivel hubs.
Pot joints are CVs too, but we call em pot joints, or plunging CV joints. :wink:

re your oil pressure drop, if the ball doesn't help it is excess clearance elsewhere in the engine. Oil pump, crank bearings, cam bearings etc.

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So internal work then? Might have to change my mind on which engine I strip down and rebuild for my twinky build :roll: .

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You could always try a different oil pressure gauge.


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I suspect the bearings are worn or have been scored with metal.
The other item to check is the crankshaft journals as they may be on the limit prior to needing the next 10thou grind. But I'm sure you will do this if you go to the trouble of pulling the engine down.
Been there done that :? :(

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