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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 4:57 pm 
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My thoughts were to change carb and intake pipe too shorten it up. But cause the intake for the charger is so high it has too drop to run any carb.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:34 pm 
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By the way, this is a manifold setup for blow through. Never tried it, but I was looking at this as an option for that supercharger.

http://www.podifold.com/

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 7:56 pm 
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Hanra wrote:
Suck through I assume?


My kit is blow through , using a metro turbo carburetor or su setup for boost

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:02 pm 
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I have been watching the podifold guys but I don't believe they have a car on the road as yet. And their manifold is 500GBP, so I want to know some results before spending that sort of money.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 8:40 pm 
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michaelb wrote:
I have been watching the podifold guys but I don't believe they have a car on the road as yet. And their manifold is 500GBP, so I want to know some results before spending that sort of money.


Totally.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 9:07 pm 
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Looks like a nice bit of kit.

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 9:08 pm 
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Hey Ben,
Where can you get a turbo carb and plenhem these days?
I might be interested in your kit if I can easily source a turbo carb

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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 10:33 pm 
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Isn't a stock HS6 or HIF44 easy to convert?
And surely a plenum could be milled from solid alloy, or fabricated, given dimensions or a sample.

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 9:32 pm 
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And surely a plenum could be milled from solid alloy, or fabricated, given dimensions or a sample.


Are the house renovations finished and you looking for a project? :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 10:09 pm 
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And surely a plenum could be milled from solid alloy, or fabricated, given dimensions or a sample.


Are the house renovations finished and you looking for a project? :roll:

Sunroom 1/2 finished now. :lol:
Doesn't sound too hard to mill one from solid, but if they are wanted and hard to come by, I know someone with a CNC mill..

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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 10:31 pm 
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There are many versions of the Eaton M45. There are the ones that were fitted by OEMs like the BINI one and the ones fitted to various Mercedes cars. There are also generic ones you can buy that don't have the extras like the big snout inlet or the water pump drive that the BINI one has. Without those in the way the inlet is straight into the back.

Here is a pic of a generic one that was part of a Jackson Racing SC kit I had on my MX5.

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This one has a cast outlet manifold to suit the MX5. It has an adaptor so the MX5 throttle body bolts straight up to it and it can use the bypass valve for idle.

There has to be a reason why all car manufacturers who fit M45 chargers use an idle bypass valve. My guess is that at low revs and with a high vacuum at idle the charge pulses make for a crappy idle. The bypass valve is vacuum opened spring closed so it closes as soon as you hit the throttle. None of the M45 kits for a mini appear to use the bypass valve. Maybe that is contributing to the issue?

There are some fundamental rules for gases:
a) Compress a gas and its temperature goes up,
b) Expand a gas and its temperature goes down,
c) Compress a gas 'inefficiently' (by stirring it around or pumping it around corners, through small holes etc) and the temperature goes up more that it otherwise would.
d) The amount of water vapour that can be stored in a volume of air is limited. Above a certain value and the water vapour condenses out as liquid water. This limit changes with temperature. Cooler air can hold less water vapour. Hence dew forming on a cool night, water coming from an air conditioner and dams evaporating on hot days. This is why the BOM give humidity as a %. 100% is when the air can't hold any more water vapour. Your sweat won't evaporate and you can't cool down.
e) When liquids change into gasses, they absorb energy in the form of heat. This is the principle behind evaporative coolers and how people cool down by sweating.

The Vmax kit does some of everything above. When the throttle is closed, the air between the throttle and the engine is in a partial vacuum. It passes the throttle and expands, getting cooler. Cooling is exacerbated by vaporisation of the fuel which starts as a liquid and turns into a gas, absorbing heat as it does so and reducing the temperature. There is hardly any fuel being used at idle so this is not the major cooling contribution but it is still important. When the air cools it will likely cross the limit of water vapour capacity unless it is an extremely dry day. The water vapour (humidity) condenses out as liquid droplets. These stick to the side of the inlet pipe and form drops which run back down towards the throttle. At the throttle, where the cooling effect is most pronounced, the water can freeze and cause sticky throttle or change the amount of open area around the throttle disc.

When the Vmax kit is on open throttle, there is negligible cooling of the inlet as there is very little pressure drop through the air filter and carb. The air/fuel mix goes into the charger and gets stirred around and pushed through. This stirring a pumping through the innards of the charger in itself doesn't make any boost but it does heat the air up. The outlet side of the charger is pushing air into an intake with valves closed most of the time and when they are open they draw less air than the charger delivers. This means the air from the charger is being stuffed into an intake and this is why the pressure goes up. The air/fuel charge is sloshing around in there like a drunk on a bus as the charger lobes pulse incoming air, some leaks back around the ends, some goes towards an open valve and picks up momentum only to be stopped by the valve closing. All this generates more heat than the minimum that is generated by just the compression of the air. There is no intercooler to dump this heat so it goes into the cylinder, increasing the peak cylinder temperature, decreasing the density of the charge for a given pressure and therefore the amount of oxygen and fuel that can be burnt and bringing the whole lot closer to the pre-ignition temperature/pressure limit of the fuel used.

To improve the application of a supercharger to a mini while still keeping it fed by a carby you need to:
1) Minimise the air volume that is under vacuum at idle - Put a throttle disc near the charger inlet. It doesn't have to be the whole carby, just the throttle. You could keep the carby where Vmax put it but take the throttle out and block the shaft holes.
2) Make sure that the air does down hill between the throttle and the engine so any condensation goes in the engine and not back to the throttle disc where it can cause icing issues.
3) Improve the outlet geometry (charge to head manifold) to get as smooth a flow as possible and, if you can, get some intercooling in there. You won't want a blow-through air to air charger, it would be a bomb. Maybe a sandwich water to air like some Ford V8s have.
4) Consider fitting an idle bypass valve. As noted above, every factory set up has one so there must be some benefit.
5) If you have the cash, swap the charger out for the Magnussen one that Low'n'blown suggests. These are direct replacements for the (generic, not BINI) M45 and M62 Eatons. They (apparently) have some twist to the lobes and generate some compression within the device. That is they are a semi-screw charger and are more efficient. The Sprintex and Opcon Autorotor ones are even better but not direct replacement. The efficiency change is very large when going from a Rootes to a screw compressor so it is worth it but none get close to a well made turbo or centrifugal compressor.

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:24 am 
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michaelb - Not easy to find, usually can find them on ebay UK, This on UK ebay at the moment

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Rover-Mini-Co ... 4195f059ed

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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 9:27 am 
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Check out http://www.turbominis.co.uk/forums/index.php. these guys will tell you all you need to know.
As for turbos the engine size will determine what size you should run. i.e 1275cc will run a garrett gt17. And 1100cc can run garrett gt15. The metro t3 is suited to a larger engine size not an a-series.
Best thing about turbocharging is that you can add an intercooler to cool the intake temps.
There's heaps to both the pros and cons. The Eaton superchargers are not suppose to run fuel through them. As the fuel can effect the coating on the rotors. If you want to run a supercharger find one that's designed yo work with a carb.


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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 8:31 pm 
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norm74 wrote:

As for turbos the engine size will determine what size you should run. i.e 1275cc will run a garrett gt17. And 1100cc can run garrett gt15. The metro t3 is suited to a larger engine size not an a-series.


Not necessarily correct. A gt15 on a 1275 will make a perfect street car and will flow up too 220hp although will be working hard at that level.

It all depends what you want from the car and how you want it to drive . The gt15 will deliver next to no lag and is suited nicely for our a-series engines.

I run a GT2554 on my 1100cc engine but it is laggy and very peaky power , so again depends what you want.

The T3 may have been good in its day but is just an old design and outdated turbo , there are much better turbos available today.


Michael B > an non turbo Hif can be modded for boost , I would be wary of using a HS6 as the fuel line under the carb may get hot?

Also after market plenums are available, also I can make if asked. Fabricated or CNC .

thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 16, 2015 8:06 pm 
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I'm thinking about a turbo on the matic ... Would a gt15 suit a no lag scenario for an auto ? Or would a SC be the better option ?

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